Switching(managing) between the styles is not user friendly/easy

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Switching(managing) between the styles is not user friendly/easy

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PHPBB 3.3.12
After installing forum, you want to set different style(theme). Installing style is simple, but when you want to switch to it, there is no button for that. You have to go to details of a new style and set it as a default, but still you can not see the new style, you have to deactivate old style to move users to new style (per my understanding).

This should be easier, for example buttons to operate with the styles may be on the style list page and maybe named a bit differently to be easier undestood. Like some table with columns:
set as default for all users | enable(make it available) | disable(hide from users) | uninstall (can automatically deactivate or offer deactivation and then deletion of files?

Feature request/idea created here: viewtopic.php?t=2655586
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Re: Switching(managing) between the styles is not user friendly/easy

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postcd wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:30 pm you have to deactivate old style to move users to new style (per my understanding).
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Choose the style and then the option below that is style override.
Set that to yes and everyone will be on that style.
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Re: Switching(managing) between the styles is not user friendly/easy

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postcd wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:30 pm PHPBB 3.3.12
After installing forum, you want to set different style(theme). Installing style is simple, but when you want to switch to it, there is no button for that. You have to go to details of a new style and set it as a default, but still you can not see the new style, you have to deactivate old style to move users to new style (per my understanding).
A phpBB board comes with a default style (prosilver).

Other styles can be installed (ACP, tab Customize, Style Management)

In ACP > tab General > Board settings, an installed/activated style can be set as default style/guest style, and override a user's style choice (or not)
Forums can also have a different style.

And on top of that, there's an extension available allowing users to switch to any installed style with a simple click.

As to the statement that a style in use has to be deactivated in order to "move" users to a new style: nope:
Override user style:
Replaces user’s (and guest’s) style with the style as defined under "Default style".
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Re: Switching(managing) between the styles is not user friendly/easy

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Thanks. You both seems to be diverting the attention to a different section of the PHPBB (or external "tools"), but the issue in the mine mentioned style management section remains. When you install a style, you end up in a style management section, which has issue described.
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Obviously you had more trouble defining a default style than deleting phpBB copyrights
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postcd wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 4:47 am Thanks. You both seems to be diverting the attention to a different section of the PHPBB (or external "tools"), but the issue in the mine mentioned style management section remains. When you install a style, you end up in a style management section, which has issue described.
Well ...? When you install a style, it doesn't seem very logical that your users' selected style automatically change to that newly installed style by default.

Apart from that, which board are you referring to? The couple of boards I had a look at are seriously outdated (1 uses prosilver 3.0.8, another uses PHP 5.3.something) so if you need help with upgrading: that's OK. But that's the limit of support for old (seriously outdated) versions.
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If you don't like how something operates then you should be posting on the area51 site.

It's been like that since 3.0 and it works fine.
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Re: Switching(managing) between the styles is not user friendly/easy

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Hello, my experience is that currently necessary cookies in phpBB - board operation - the regulation *Cookie ending on:

* - ... _style -> sets the style ID for the user and is also relevant.

ACP, Customise tab, Style Management:
I assume the default style prosilver .... phpBB-V.3.3.12

In order to direct users to the current new style, prosilver must be deactivated once so that all users are set to the new style via a style cookie. This means that the total number of users for the new style is set / moved accordingly (the style cookie is reset). This can be recognised by the number = Used by (including spiders/robots).

Subsequently, it is mandatory to reactivate prosilver (fallback). This means that prosilver must be installed and activated.
The newly activated style (default-style) is named and displayed in the colour #536482.

General, Board settings:
If users should be allowed to select a style (UCP (ucp.php?i=179)), set style override to no.

Can someone please reproduce this. Thank you very much!

BTW: ACP, System, Spiders/Robots:
You can assign a style, such as prosilver, to the spiders/robots separately.

Removing or commenting out the copyright is unfortunately disrespectful to all developers involved. :(

BTW: Your page-source text shows errors.

Tip:
phpBB have long had more modern structures that should draw your attention to an update, especially in responsive browser worlds. At some point, an outdated system will catch up with you and the "damage" can mean a considerable amount of extra work for you.

In my opinion, extensions do not necessarily work in such outdated basic versions (PHP, phpBB).

And yes, there are extensions: Stylechangers
https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/exte ... changer_2/
https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/exte ... ick_style/

Kind regards
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Re: Switching(managing) between the styles is not user friendly/easy

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@Aidy » 08 Aug 2024, 12:52
Aidy wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:52 am It’s not super intuitive. Your idea for buttons right on the style list page sounds solid.
I didn't understand a word, because I wasn't talking about "buttons" at all. Only the StyleChanger procedure plays a role here alongside other problems in this topic, doesn't it?
warmweer wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:56 am Well ...? When you install a style, it doesn't seem very logical that your users' selected style automatically change to that newly installed style by default.
Yes, correct and accurate from my personal experience.
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Re: Switching(managing) between the styles is not user friendly/easy

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If point of this topic is to have every setting in its respectful module, then yes.. I agree.
Some settings can be part of quick access. And to be honest this topic is not suited for support forum.
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