The future of prosilver (phpBB 4)

[danieltj]

Yeah it would be nice to get a clarification on that but Steve seems to be more focused on the money comments in this topic afaik we are I mean the team is in the process of moving all the html from the php files.

It also seems people are making design decisions before any wireframes have even been made too. We’re getting slightly carried away I think. Besides, HTMl will be written in HTML files. It’s not wholesale moving to php files.

Oh and me sharing the opportunity to sponsor me shouldn’t be surprising. You either do or you don’t. Regardless I’ll still work on Neptune and it’ll be free to use. I feel like people are not understanding what a sponsorship is in the context of open source.

I’ll share more when I have more, but as everyone seems to have different opinions, people are going to be disappointed and we can’t do anything about that.

[Just_A_Alien]

Wasn't prosilver the first style of phpBB of was that subsilver2(?)

[danieltj]

Subsilver was the default style for phpBB 2. prosilver was created as the default style for phpBB 3 onwards.

[warmweer]

Wasn't prosilver the first style of phpBB of was that subsilver2(?)

Prosilver and subsilver2 were released with phpBB 3.0
subsilver2 was a continuation for subsilver (for phpBB2) as of phpBB 3.0. I have a vague memory of it also having updates for 3.1

[Just_A_Alien]

Wasn't prosilver the first style of phpBB of was that subsilver2(?)

Prosilver and subsilver2 were released with phpBB 3.0
subsilver2 was a continuation for subsilver (for phpBB2) as of phpBB 3.0. I have a vague memory of it also having updates for 3.1

cool ty

what about the style here? is it prosilver?

[Mikolaj Kowalczyk]

what about the style here? is it prosilver?

It's called Prosilver special edition but the header is custom so is not included in the style download,

there are 2 extensions called headerlink and headerbanner which I believe can be used to replicate the header on this forum.

[Gumboots]

I’ll share more when I have more, but as everyone seems to have different opinions, people are going to be disappointed and we can’t do anything about that.

If everybody bitches, you know you have achieved the most fair and balanced result.

[Mikolaj Kowalczyk]

I personally don't see the point in the folk behind the scenes making a new style, some of the new team members have only contributed one item to the CDB.

1) Ensure that no HTML is served via PHP files - this requires back end changes. (also gives style creators more freedoms)

2) Modernise prosilver - by getting rid of the outdated code and the inconsistencies in the HTML/CSS, make it more responsive, all of that is not very hard to do, make it fully functional for phpBB 4.

3) Appoint Mannix as the team leader to create a new style.

Mannix

• Has released mani mani styles, including a bootstrap one - so he's open minded.
• Contributed over 10 validated styles - a massive and recent contribution to the project.
• Has experience of phpbb as an administrator and also just as normal user.
• He also quickly sorts any bugs that are reported to him.
• Good communicator - He may not be English but he communicates better than many English people on here.

His experience of running a phpbb and also as a normal user means he should have ideas about improving the UI to make it easier for administrators and users.

He has worked with extension creators and other style creators.

He has made suggestions on how others could improve something, has been polite when doing so.

He also takes on board suggestions on how his own work could be improved and again is polite.

He has taken ideas and put them into a reality, so we know he gets things done.

He's a likeable person, is well respect among the community and when he replies to peoples support request topics, he is trusted by them and they know he knows what he is talking about.


In my opinion all of the above makes him an ideal person to be trusted with leading the task of developing a new style.

Even if he only put a couple of hours a week into it - progress would still get made.

Those who contribute most to the CDB have demonstrated willingness to time in and also demonstrated that they actually care about the project and are not just trying to use it as a stepping stone.

We need Mannix at wheel.

[danieltj]

I personally don't see the point in the folk behind the scenes making a new style, some of the new team members have only contributed one item to the CDB.

That literally makes no difference whatsoever. So is an irrelevant point.

1) Ensure that no HTML is served via PHP files - this requires back end changes. (also gives style creators more freedoms)

2) Modernise prosilver - by getting rid of the outdated code and the inconsistencies in the HTML/CSS, make it more responsive, all of that is not very hard to do, make it fully functional for phpBB 4.

3) Appoint Mannix as the team leader to create a new style.

• That will take a lot of work and the style is being developed (at least initially), independent of the back-end.
• prosilver is not within the scope of this new style. Any prosilver changes will/are being made as and when is necessary.
• I have no issues with Mannix, but this is not how team members are appointed.

Mannix

• Has released mani mani styles, including a bootstrap one - so he's open minded.
• Contributed over 10 validated styles - a massive and recent contribution to the project.
• Has experience of phpbb as an administrator and also just as normal user.
• He also quickly sorts any bugs that are reported to him.
• Good communicator - He may not be English but he communicates better than many English people on here.

His experience of running a phpbb and also as a normal user means he should have ideas about improving the UI to make it easier for administrators and users.

He has worked with extension creators and other style creators.

He has made suggestions on how others could improve something, has been polite when doing so.

He also takes on board suggestions on how his own work could be improved and again is polite.

He has taken ideas and put them into a reality, so we know he gets things done.

He's a likeable person, is well respect among the community and when he replies to peoples support request topics, he is trusted by them and they know he knows what he is talking about.

All valid points, but have you actually asked if they want to even be on the team and take ownership of this project, or have you decided that for him?

In my opinion all of the above makes him an ideal person to be trusted with leading the task of developing a new style.

Even if he only put a couple of hours a week into it - progress would still get made.

Those who contribute most to the CDB have demonstrated willingness to time in and also demonstrated that they actually care about the project and are not just trying to use it as a stepping stone.

We need Mannix at wheel.

Again, do you even know if Mannix wants to lead this project to begin with? Or are you just deciding that he must do it?

I understand you may not be happy with how the project is being handled but ultimately you've come into this topic in a hostile manner rather than being polite yourself and asking questions. What you've failed to understand is that I'm currently one person having to deal with the opinions of a lot of people who think we should do this and that and everyone has slightly different views on everything. Should we use jQuery still? Should we use LESS/SCSS? Should stats be shown anywhere!? Is HTML in php files? Like... we're not there yet.

I've not even made wireframes to set out a structure of the page.

Let's be realistic here, Neptune is going to take several months before it's in a usable condition. It's not a simple task of creating a brand new style that is independent of prosilver. It's a completely new direction for phpBB design. So in future, please be respectful of phpBB team members and there effort in trying to produce things for the wider community.

We all have other stuff going on in life and whilst it'd be great to have Neptune finished and phpBB 4 out the door yesterday, it's not possible. Yeah Chameleon has left a sour taste in a lot of peoples mouth but a new style is a complex project and sometimes things happen and we have to start again. Let's try and be civil here, please.

[Steve]

It was not me try to earn money from this topic?

All I wanted was twig to remove the html mark up instead of manually doing it and the twig zipped the files so they can be downloaded as a raw file. End of.

[nou nou]

I’ll share more when I have more, but as everyone seems to have different opinions, people are going to be disappointed and we can’t do anything about that.

If everybody bitches, you know you have achieved the most fair and balanced result.

Hahahaha, I'm going to borrow that one from you, thanks

[ssl]

That people eager for change join the xenForo pay community but that they refrain with their desire for revolution

[warmweer]

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In my opinion all of the above makes him an ideal person to be trusted with leading the task of developing a new style.
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We need Mannix at wheel.

While I agree with many if not all points you mentioned about Mannix there's really no need to spell those out: I sure the phpBB Team keeps an eye open for members who could be an asset in some department(s).

[Mannix_]

Thank You for the kind words guys but I strongly believe Daniel can deliver we just need to be patient.

[HiFiKabin]

Rome wasn't built in a day, and they never had the internet to cope with either.

Just be patient, it will be here when it arrives, not before